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Web definitions for rock beat

The most identifiable feature of rock music is its beat, the strongest pulses of which occur on beats 2 & 4 in 4/4 time. in context
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Eze 28:12 KJV - Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

Eze 28:13 KJV - Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone [was] thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

Eze 28:14 KJV - Thou [art] the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee [so]: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

Eze 28:15 KJV - Thou [wast] perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Eze 28:16 KJV - By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

Eze 28:17 KJV - Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

Eze 28:18 KJV - Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

Eze 28:19 KJV - All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never [shalt] thou [be] any more.

These verses are commonly believed to be referring to Lucifer, or Satan.  Notice that this is a musical being.

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Wow! Good stuff! That took a lot of research! Thank you.


Quick question: what about music in 3/4 or music that has no obvious pulse (ie no drums)?

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The natural stress of 3/4 time falls on the first beat of each measure only. Sing or hum the first phrase of "Drink to Me Only with Thine Eyes" to get a feeling for the lilting stress of 3/4 time.

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"The body is a rhythm machine," in the words of Mickey Hart, drummer of the rock group the Grateful Dead. We breathe in a rhythm, and our hearts beat in a rhythm. Every physical movement, conscious or unconscious, creates a rhythm, implies a rhythm, or is governed by a rhythm. It comes as no surprise, then, that rhythm is an essential element of all music. There can be rhythm without melody — think of a drumbeat — but no melody without rhythm, without some notes lasting longer than others. Harmony, too, always has a rhythmic component: when harmonies change can be as important as the changes themselves. For every moment in a musical composition, the composer must decide which rhythm or rhythmic pattern, in the context of the tempo and in combination with the melody and harmony, will be the most effective, the most persuasive, the most beautiful. The motion of a piece of music, after all, has a lot to do with how moving it will be.

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as per this article..melody cannot exist without rhythm..

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Without rhythm, any song is only a collection of musical notes.


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In music, syncopation includes a variety of rhythms which are in some way unexpected in that they deviate from the strict succession of regularly spaced strong and weak beats in a meter (pulse). These include a stress on a normally unstressed beat or a rest where one would normally be stressed. "If a part of the measure that is usually unstressed is accented, the rhythm is considered to be syncopated."[1]

More simply, syncopation is a general term for a disturbance or interruption of the regular flow of rhythm; a placement of rhythmic stresses or accents where they wouldn't normally occur.[2]

Syncopation is used in many musical styles, and is fundamental in Afrocuban derived styles such asfunk, ska, reggae,ragtime, rap, jump blues, progressive electronic dance music, progressive rock,extreme metal, jazz, breakbeat,drum'n'bass and dubstep. "All dance music makes use of [syncopation] and it's often a vital element that helps tie the whole track together".[3] In the form of a back beat, syncopation is used in virtually all contemporary popular music.

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Fact: Steven likes facts.

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It has also been shown that the heart is greatly influenced by music. Fast and syncopated music can speed the heart while soft and soothing melodies and rhythms can calm it.

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The influence of music on society can be clearly seen from modern history. Music helped Thomas Jefferson write the Declaration of Independence. When he could not figure out the right wording for a certain part, he would play his violin to help him. The music helped him get the words from his brain onto the paper.

Albert Einstein is recognized as one of the smartest men who has ever lived. A little known fact about Einstein is that when he was young he did extremely poor in school. His grade school teachers told his parents to take him out of school because he was "too stupid to learn" and it would be a waste of resources for the school to invest time and energy in his education. The school suggested that his parents get Albert an easy, manual labor job as soon as they could. His mother did not think that Albert was "stupid". Instead of following the school's advice, Albert's parents bought him a violin. Albert became good at the violin. Music was the key that helped Albert Einstein become one of the smartest men who has ever lived. Einstein himself says that the reason he was so smart is because he played the violin. He loved the music of Mozart and Bach the most. A friend of Einstein, G.J. Withrow, said that the way Einstein figured out his problems and equations was by improvising on the violin.


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People perceive and respond to music in different ways. The level of musicianship of the performer and the listener as well as the manner in which a piece is performed affects the "experience" of music. An experienced and accomplished musician might hear and feel a piece of music in a totally different way than a non-musician or beginner. This is why two accounts of the same piece of music can contradict themselves.

Rhythm is also an important aspect of music to study when looking at responses to music. There are two responses to rhythm. These responses are hard to separate because they are related, and one of these responses cannot exist without the other. These responses are (1) the actual hearing of the rhythm and (2) the physical response to the rhythm. Rhythm organizes physical movements and is very much related to the human body. For example, the body contains rhythms in the heartbeat, while walking, during breathing, etc. Another example of how rhythm orders movement is an autistic boy who could not tie his shoes. He learned how on the second try when the task of tying his shoes was put to a song. The rhythm helped organize his physical movements in time.In general, responses to music are able to be observed. It has been proven that music influences humans both in good and bad ways. These effects are instant and long lasting. Music is thought to link all of the emotional, spiritual, and physical elements of the universe. Music can also be used to change a person's mood, and has been found to cause like physical responses in many people simultaneously. Music also has the ability to strengthen or weaken emotions from a particular event such as a funeral.


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Responses to music are easy to be detected in the human body. Classical music from the baroque period causes the heart beat and pulse rate to relax to the beat of the music. As the body becomes relaxed and alert, the mind is able to concentrate more easily. Furthermore, baroque music decreases blood pressure and enhances the ability to learn. Music affects the amplitude and frequency of brain waves, which can be measured by an electro-encephalogram. Music also affects breathing rate and electrical resistance of the skin. It has been observed to cause the pupils to dilate, increase blood pressure, and increase the heart rate.

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The Power of Music on Memory and Learning

The power of music to affect memory is quite intriguing. Mozart's music and baroque music, with a 60 beats per minute beat pattern, activate the left and right brain. The simultaneous left and right brain action maximizes learning and retention of information. The information being studied activates the left brain while the music activates the right brain. Also, activities which engage both sides of the brain at the same time, such as playing an instrument or singing, causes the brain to be more capable of processing information.

According to The Center for New Discoveries in Learning, learning potential can be increased a minimum of five times by using this 60 beats per minute music. For example, the ancient Greeks sang their dramas because they understood how music could help them remember more easily ). A renowned Bulgarian psychologist, Dr. George Lozanov, designed a way to teach foreign languages in a fraction of the normal learning time. Using his system, students could learn up to one half of the vocabulary and phrases for the whole school term (which amounts to almost 1,000 words or phrases) in one day. Along with this, the average retention rate of his students was 92%. Dr. Lozanov's system involved using certain classical music pieces from the baroque period which have around a 60 beats per minute pattern. He has proven that foreign languages can be learned with 85-100% efficiency in only thirty days by using these baroque pieces. His students had a recall accuracy rate of almost 100% even after not reviewing the material for four years.

Johann Sebastian Bach

Georg Frederic Handel

Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart

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In 1982, researchers from the University of North Texas performed a three-way test on postgraduate students to see if music could help in memorizing vocabulary words. The students were divided into three groups. Each group was given three tests - a pretest, a posttest, and a test a week after the first two tests. All of the tests were identical. Group 1 was read the words with Handel's Water Music in the background. They were also asked to imagine the words. Group 2 was read the same words also with Handel's Water Music in the background. Group 2 was not asked to imagine the words. Group 3 was only read the words, was not given any background music, and was also not asked to imagine the words. The results from the first two tests showed that groups 1 and 2 had much better scores than group 3. The results from the third test, a week later, showed that group 1 performed much better than groups 2 or 3. However, simply using music while learning does not absolutely guarantee recall but can possibly improve it. Background music in itself is not a part of the learning process, but it does enter into memory along with the information learned. Recall is better when the same music used for learning is used during recall. Also, tempo appears to be a key of music's effect on memory.

One simple way students can improve test scores is by listening to certain types of music such as Mozart's Sonata for Two Piano's in D Majorbefore taking a test. This type of music releases neurons in the brain which help the body to relax. The effectiveness of Mozart's sonatas can be seen by the results from an IQ test performed on three groups of college students. The first group listened to a Mozart sonata before taking the test. The second group listened to a relaxation tape before their test. The third group did not listen to anything before the test. The first group had the highest score with an average of 119. The second group ended up with an average of 111, and the third group had the lowest score with an average of 110.

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The key component of music that makes it beneficial is order. The order of the music from the baroque and classical periods causes the brain to respond in special ways. This order includes repetition and changes, certain patterns of rhythm, and pitch and mood contrasts. One key ingredient to the order of music from the baroque and classical periods is math. This is realized by the body and the human mind performs better when listening to this ordered music.

One shining example of the power of order in music is King George I of England. King George had problems with memory loss and stress management. He read from the Bible the story of King Saul and recognized that Saul had experienced the same type of problems that he was experiencing. George recognized that Saul overcame his problems by using special music. With this story in mind King George asked George Frederick Handel to write some special music for him that would help him in the same way that music helped Saul. Handel wrote his Water Music for this purpose.

Another key to the order in music is the music being the same and different. The brain works by looking at different pieces of information and deciding if they are different or the same. This is done in music of the baroque and classical periods by playing a theme and then repeating or changing the theme. The repetition is only done once. More than one repetition causes the music to become displeasing, and also causes a person to either enter a state of sub-conscious thinking or a state of anger. Dr. Ballam goes on to say that, "The human mind shuts down after three or four repetitions of a rhythm, or a melody, or a harmonic progression." Furthermore, excessive repetition causes people to release control of their thoughts. Rhythmic repetition is used by people who are trying to push certain ethics in their music.

An Australian physician and psychiatrist, Dr. John Diamond, found a direct link between muscle strength/weakness and music. He discovered that all of the muscles in the entire body go weak when subjected to the "stopped anapestic beat" of music from hard rock musicians, including Led Zeppelin, Alice Cooper, Queen, The Doors, Janis Joplin, Bachman - Turner Overdrive, and The Band. Dr. Diamond found another effect of the anapestic beat. He called it a "switching" of the brain. Dr. Diamond said this switching occurs when the actual symmetry between both of the cerebral hemispheres is destroyed causing alarm in the body along with lessened work performance, learning and behavior problems in children, and a "general malaise in adults." In addition to harmful, irregular beats in rock music, shrill frequencies prove to also be harmful to the body. Bob Larson, a Christian minister and former rock musician, remembers that in the 70's teens would bring raw eggs to a rock concert and put them on the front of the stage. The eggs would be hard boiled by the music before the end of the concert and could be eaten. Dr. Earl W. Flosdorf and Dr. Leslie A. Chambers showed that proteins in a liquid medium were coagulated when subjected to piercing high-pitched sounds

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On Animals and Plants, Too!

Tests on the effects of music on living organisms besides humans have shown that special pieces of music (including The Blue Danube) aid hens in laying more eggs. Music can also help cows to yield more milk. Researchers from Canada and the former Soviet Union found that wheat will grow faster when exposed to special ultrasonic and musical sounds. Rats were tested by psychologists to see how they would react to Bach's music and rock music. The rats were placed into two different boxes. Rock music was played in one of the boxes while Bach's music was played in the other box. The rats could choose to switch boxes through a tunnel that connected both boxes. Almost all of the rats chose to go into the box with the Bach music even after the type of music was switched from one box to the other.

Research took a new avenue when in 1968 a college student, Dorthy Retallack, started researching the effects of music on plants. She took her focus off of studying the beat and put in on studying the different sounds of music. Retallack tested the effects of music on plant growth by using music styles including classical, jazz, pop, rock, acid rock, East Indian, and country. She found that the plants grew well for almost every type of music except rock and acid rock. Jazz, classical, and Ravi Shankar turned out to be the most helpful to the plants. However, the plants tested with the rock music withered and died. The acid rock music also had negative effects on the plant growth.

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One cannot deny the power of music. High school students who study music have higher grade point averages that those who don't. These students also develop faster physically. Student listening skills are also improved through music education. The top three schools in America all place a great emphasis on music and the arts. Hungary, Japan, and the Netherlands, the top three academic countries in the world, all place a great emphasis on music education and participation in music. The top engineers from Silicon Valley are all musicians. Napoleon understood the enormous power of music. He summed it up by saying, "Give me control over he who shapes the music of a nation, and I care not who makes the laws" .

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Music has been found to effect people and their subconscious differently depending on who was the artist and what was the motive of the artist. Beethoven and Bach were submerged with reverence for God, and this was their motivation — their goal was the spiritual uplifting of man.

Other motives for creating music have been found: Moneymaking was part of the motive for the rock concerts. Take, for example, Mick Jagger with $40,000,000 in his 1981 tour over the U.S. Jagger also stated, "We are moving after the minds, and so are most of the new groups."

In 1969 the Rolling Stones at a rock concert performed the song "Sympathy for the Devil" — there was a rampage of violence and some people were severely injured and some were killed. Mick Jagger stated: "something like that happens every time I play that song."

Some forms of rock were associated with outbreaks of riots and violence. The Mamas and the Papas stated: "By carefully controlling the sequence of rhythms, any rock group can create audience hysteria consciously and deliberately... We know how to do it... Anybody knows how to do it."

As in music, so in life! The behavior of musicians has been found to tend to shape people's character and behavior — with music giving various types of emotional experiences and also encoding feelings.


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Physical Effects of Rock Music

A personal acquaintance, Dr Harvey Bird did much research on the effects of music. With rats he had waltz music as the control group. With the rock-type music after a few days, the rats lost memory and turned cannibalistic.

Dr. Scubic at the University of Canbera in Australia worked with teen boys and heavy metal music and discovered with rock the following changes:

a) Stress is caused to the heart (the waltz rhythm, for instance, is the same as the heart beat — whereas the rhythm of rock etc. is the opposite).
b) Secondary to this the brain releases chemicals/opiate derivatives similar to drugs to relax you, which explains physiologically how addiction to rock occurs. That is the 'kick' that people get.
c) With extended periods of rock music there was evidence of violence, including sexual — causal relationships with rock music were found.

Dr. Diamond also found stress to the heart and changes in the heartbeat with rock music. In addition the neurological system becomes switched to where subjects want to hear more of this music, again showing the addictive properties.

Dr. Singh at the University of Southern India researched pea plants. He used different music: Indian, Baroque and rock. With rock music the pea plants shriveled up and genetically mutated. The actual seeds changed to become weaker.


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Music was a highlight for me as a whole brain education instructor, in general and especially with babies in the womb. With Baroque music, for instance, there is a switching to the right brain and an increase in intelligence.

On the contrary, rock music switches more to the "fight and flight" reaction. Epinephrine is released and decreases intellectual abilities. People who complain to me about rock music say they are not able to think straight.

You can find out about additional studies on the effects of rock music in the book, The Secret Power of Music by David Tame. A few results follow:

Music has been found to effect the body in 2 distinct ways, directly on the cells and organs and indirectly by affecting the emotions, which, in turn, influence numerous bodily processes.

Sounds projected into liquid media have coagulated proteins. So teenagers have brought soft eggs to rock concerts, which became hard-boiled — wonder what happens in our own bodies?

Rock has been found to interfere with digestion, increase driving accidents, change metabolism, affect muscular energy, raise blood pressure etc.

Musicogenic epilepsy has been reported — seizures directly associated with the rock beat.

Hearing problems have been increased with teens listening to the loud playing of rock.

In other studies with rats and plants, when exposed to classical versus rock, the rats repeatedly ran from the rock and plants grew away from the rock and toward classical music. In addition, the plants suffered from damage or died with rock music.

Petunias next to rock refused to bloom — versus those near the classical, which had beautiful blossoms.

Other studies showed how plants have grown faster, and hens have laid more eggs, and cows given more milk in response to Strauss' Blue Danube — yet had diarrhea with rock music.

Cellular protoplasm has been found to change with music. Dr. Singh found that the violin is the most life-enhancing instrument of all. And there have been seen changes in chromosomes for the better or worse depending upon the music played.

Changes in music have preceded historical events. The Communists would control music to prevent the people from rising up. Heavy metal has been associated with increased use of drugs, suicide and violence, while songs like the Liberty Song and Yankee Doodle etc. have been associated with acceleration in patriotism and fervor for freedom.


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The pieces of music mentioned in these posts are now in the video section so you can utilize them whenever you like.  I have been playing them in our home and love the atmosphere they help to create!

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Web definitions for rock beat

The most identifiable feature of rock music is its beat, the strongest pulses of which occur on beats 2 & 4 in 4/4 time. in context

The very fact that my chest cavity actually starts hurting anytime I am exposed to rap or heavy metal music is enough physical evidence for me to prove how damaging that stuff is. I literally have to find any escape route possible because of the discomfort it causes my heart's natural rhythm. It's hard to fathom the toll it takes on a person's body after long term exposure.

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The pieces of music mentioned in these posts are now in the video section so you can utilize them whenever you like.  I have been playing them in our home and love the atmosphere they help to create!


Wow, this is awesome stuff, Mrs. Corbett!  In the morning when I wake up I go to my computer and turn my music on and put it on low while I go through my morning routine.  I do this faithfully.  Well I was cleaning out my computer and I think I deleated a component needed for sound and I now have no sound on my computer and thus can not play any music. During the day, especially while my husband is at work, in the evening, I love to play music.  This morning as I began my day, I was thinking how differently I feel that I can not accompany my morning with my music. is amazing.  Then reading this you realize how powerful music is!  My music is Godly, Praise the Lord, but none the less still very motivating and I hate not being able to play it throughout my day.  I am looking forward to figuring out what I did because I want to hear the pieces that you posted and have been playing in your home. : )

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I found this while searching for music facts.  It comes in three parts and is well worth the read.


Music Standards, Part 1

I have wanted to put up a blog for several months explaining why we accept some music and reject other music in Church and in our family regardless of the lyrics of the music.

Concert and Beehives 012Music is an expression of the heart (Job 29:13,Psalm 28:7, 57:7, 108:1, 138:1, Isaiah 65:14,Zeph. 3:14, Ephesians 5:19, Colossians 3:16, James 5:13). The heart’s feelings of joy, sadness, excitement, awe, confidence, peace, harmony, etc. can be expressed with sound, as well as feelings of despair, impulsiveness, stupidity, silliness, rebellion, chaos, etc. We are commanded to keep our hearts with all diligence, ”for out of it are the issues of life” Proverbs 4:23. Behavior and communication directly result from what is in our hearts (Luke 6:43-45, Matthew. 12:33-34). Scripture supports both loud triumphant music (Psalm 98:6) and quiet meditative music (Psalm 92:3). Music can also communicate a sloppy or silly feeling (“the song of fools”Ecclesiastes 7:5), or a seductive, sensual feeling (“the song of the harlot” Isaiah 23:15-17).  We are told in Colossians 3:16 to sing with grace in our hearts to the Lord. In Ephesians 5:18-19 we see that the kind of music God wants to hear is the polar opposite to the culture of drunkenness and “excess” (profligacy). The Roman philosopher Boethius (500 A.D.) observed that music “either ennobles or degrades our behaviour.” And Confucius (500 B.C.) even said “If you would know if a people are well-governed, and if its laws are good or bad, examine the music it practices.” Scripture and experience both show an obvious link between music and action. It is not that music creates a righteous or evil nature in our hearts, but our hearts identify with music that expresses its own feelings, becoming encouraged and fed by it and emboldened to express those feelings.

Since a selfish and evil nature is ever present in the human being (Romans. 3:9-19), it needs to be restrained for a community to exist in peace and order. But the human heart hates and despises this restraint (1 Peter 4:3-4) until it is made free from sin through regeneration (Titus 3:3-7). It should come as no surprise that when wild, impulsive music became available to the un-regenerated it unleashed a torrent of unrestrained immorality as the young audience “discovered itself under the liberating and troubling power of the new beat” (Tom Junod, LIFE [Special issue: 40 years of Rock & Roll] 1 Dec. 1 1992, pp. 33, 37). “All rock is revolutionary. By its very beat and sound it has always implicitly rejected restraints and has celebrated freedom and sexuality” (Time, 31 October 1969, p. 49). This is the “freedom” that ends in death (Romans 6:15-23). “There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.” (Proverbs. 16:25) Is it any surprise that when the people of Israel threw off the restraints of Jehovah and turned to a disgusting idol of their own making that the result was singing and dancing that could be mistaken for the noise of war? Exodus 32:17-21 and 1 Corinthians 10:1-8.

So what is it in some music that causes it to express the wrong kind of feelings and encourage the wrong kind of behavior? It is primarily a violation of 1 Corinthians. 14:40 where God instructs us to “let all things be done decently and in order”. “All things” includes music. The word for “order” in 1 Cor. 14:40 is #5010 in the Strong’s concordance and means “a regular arrangement that is, (in time) fixed succession(of rank or character), dignity”. I could not ask for a better definition of rhythmic and harmonic order in music. Rhythm is what orders a piece of music in its progression through time, resulting in a powerful sense of dignity, rightness, peace, and strength. Music that rebels against rhythmic order with back beats, break beats, “polyrhythms”, and syncopation destroys this sense of order and stimulates a sense of anarchy and rebellious, impulsive behavior. “When pulsation and syncopation are the rhythmic foundations of the music…the movements of the dancers can invariably be seen to become very sensual.” (David Tame, The Secret Power of Music p. 199). I have seen that it does not take a lot of syncopation to cause children to become silly and foolish in their behavior (“the song of fools”).  The “song of the harlot” is centered on sensual arousal – both are related to permitting the impulsive drives of the flesh. The message is “Do whatever you want to do”. “Rock ‘n’ roll is musical pornography.” (David Noebel in The Legacy of John Lennon) “There is more blatant immorality being peddled in popular music now than ever before.” (Steve Lawhead in Rock Reconsidered) It is the will of God that I abstain from fornication (1 Thess 4:3-8). The word for “decently” in 1 Cor. 14:40 is #2156, meaning decorously, that is, characterized by propriety in conduct, manners, appearance, etc. Impropriety would include deliberately singing with a sensual voice or using “swinging notes” (starting flat and sliding up to the correct pitch to produce a seductive feeling). These things identify with the works of the flesh described in Gal. 5:19 and 1 Peter 4:3. But we are told again in 1 Peter 1:15 that “as He which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation”. I am convinced that if all people had patterned their character after Jesus Christ, as George Washington did for example, the carnal music of rock, rap, disco, pop, jazz, and blues would never have even been popular.

P1000106For those to whom “all things are become new” (2 Cor. 5:17), it should come as no surprise that there is a “new song” to be sung (Romans 8:5-6,Psalm 40:3, Revelation 14:3). The best way to glorify God is to simply display His character. Music that communicates the attributes of God would include a sense of majesty (1 Chronicles 29:11, 2 Peter 1:16), and peace, (Hebrews 13:20, Philippians 4:9) and joy (Psalm 16:11and Galatians 5:22) and intricacy (Psalm 139). His character is powerful and dramatic, but not out of control (1 Corinthians 14:32,Titus 1:5-9) and “God is not the author of confusion, but of peace” (1 Corinthians 14:33).

Christians are not in danger of accepting what is obviously wrong as much as something with just enough good mixed in to make it excusable. In part 2 we will look at the problems with “Christian music” that has a “contemporary sound”.

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Music Standards, Part 2

Music in Christian worshipBased on the foundation explained inPart 1 we will now look at the importance of purity in music used for Christian worship. There is a raging battle in the Christian life between the Spirit and the flesh (Romans 6-8). Paul stressed that Christian liberty is no license to gratify the flesh (Gal. 5:13) and made it clear that “they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.” (Gal. 5:24) Wrong music is centered on the fulfillment of carnal passions (through techniques described in Part 1) and gives the emotional message of “do whatever you want to do” rather than helping to “put off concerning the former conversation… which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; and be renewed in the spirit of your mind” (Eph. 4:22-23). It is no accident that certain styles of music originated in certain cultures for the purpose of cultivating the depraved nature. According to Little Richard, “My true belief about Rock ‘n’ Roll – and there have been a lot of phrases attributed to me over the years – is this: I believe this kind of music is demonic…. A lot of the beats in music today are taken from voodoo, from the voodoo drums. If you study music in rhythms, like I have, you’ll see that is true.” (Little Richard; Quoted in Jeff Goodwin, Dancing with Demons, pp 126-128.) To take the disordered beats and sensual vocal techniques that we enjoyed in the flesh, and change the words so we can justify it as “Christian”, is to “turn the grace of God into lasciviousness” (Jude 1:4) and imply that the character, or name of Christ Himself is violent or erotic. An assault on the name of God is serious, “for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh His name in vain.” (Ex. 20:7 and Deut. 5:11) Quite simply, music is a form of communication, just like language and art, which can essentially be used for both good and bad. “Be not deceived. Evil communications corrupt good manners.” 1 Cor. 15:33According to William Kilpatrick, Professor of Education, Boston College, “Rock can’t be made respectable…. The music will simply subvert the words…. No matter how many reforms are attempted, rock and rap will always gravitate in the direction of violence and uncommitted sex. The beat says ‘Do what you want to do’” (from Why Johnny Can’t Tell Right From Wrong, pp. 178, 182). The more counter-rhythm and syncopation there is, the stronger the impulsive feelings of the “flesh” become. The amount of disorder is a minor issue because “a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.” Leaven represents moral compromise in 1 Cor. 5:6-8 and failure to focus on circumcision of the heart in Gal. 5:5-9/Rom. 2:29.

As Fanny Crosby (1820-1915) said, “Sometimes I need to reject the music proposed for my songs because the musicians misunderstand that the Fanny Crosby who once wrote for the people in the saloons has merely changed the lyrics. Oh my no. The church must never sing it’s songs to the melodies of the world.”

Though used in saloons, a piano is set apart for holiness in the sactuary of God.I am quite sure that the melodies she rejected would be considered the mildest of worldly music by today’s standards. What fits in a saloon does not fit in the sanctuary of God. That’s why the sanctuary exists – a place set apart only for holiness.Obviously, it is a shame for immoral music to be included on otherwise good recordings just because “that’s what makes it sell”.

And that brings me to my original motivation for writing this whole post. It occurred to me while I was working in the garden not long ago that if my motivation for performing music is to please people, I am doomed to eventually perform music that is displeasing to God because “if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ” Gal. 1:10. The nature of God and the godless nature of people are irreconcilable (Rom. 8:5-8). If music is beautiful in the eyes of God, those who love what He loves will love it, while those who dislike what He likes will dislike it. Since we cannot solidly base anything on the ever-changing preferences of people, we would do better to walk as children of light in the fruit of the Spirit, “proving what is acceptable to the Lord. And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.” Eph. 5:8-11. What really matters to me in an artistic message is how well it helps me to crucify the flesh with the affections and lusts (Gal. 5:16-25) while putting on the “new man which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness” Eph. 4:24.

I suppose one reason, among others, that religious leaders are sometimes afraid to reject carnal musical styles is for fear of seeming to be too pious and “holier-than-thou” (click there to read why this is actually a self-contradictory concept). Also unfounded is the fear that music will be boring if it’s not “livened up with a little beat”. Just as there is infinite room for dynamic expression of God’s love within the bounds of holiness, there is also infinite room for Godly expression in music within the bounds of order. In fact, you cannot express God’s love outside of His holiness, and you cannot express God’s holy name in music without “decency and order” (1 Cor. 14:40). The goal is to display the powerful, dynamic love of God without mixing it with anything counterfeit. Love is not lust. Joy is not foolishness. Peace is not depression. Longsuffering is not compromise. Knowing God makes the distinction clear.

2 Cor. 6:14-7:1“…for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? And what communion hath light with darkness? …And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? For ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.” 2 Cor. 6:14-7:1.

This post has focused on the wrong kind of music and the importance of separation from the evil of the world for the sake of sanctification and holiness (John 17:15-17). Part 3 will focus more on the right kind of music.

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Music Standards, Part 3

Part 1: How music communicates a moral or immoral message

Part 2: The importance of rejecting wrong music

Part 3: Rejoice in the Lord ye righteous!

Music flows from the heart - what kind of heart?I was excited to discover why I had been hindered from getting these posts posted for so long: the opportunity to experience and comment on the singing of the house churches in China! After hearing a couple years ago about the supernatural explosion of God’s light, life, and love in China and the fervency of their worship, I had always wondered what kind of singing and music resulted from the influence of the Holy Spirit with very little interference from western culture. When our family watched adocumentary about Christianity in China, it showed a lot of their house Church worship and singing. I was nothing short of astounded. It was just what Christian singing should be. It was beautiful! They sang with all their hearts. They sang with all their emotion. They sang with all their might! They clapped their hands (Ps. 47:1) – always on the down-beat and not on the back-beat by the way – all in perfect order and decency without the slightest hint of any chaotic, rebellious or sensual feeling. There was no syncopation and no sensual body movement. It was the new song of a transformed life; not only of transformed actions, but of transformed character. God had indeed heard their cry, brought them out of a horrible pit, set their feet on a rock, and put a new song in their mouths, “even praise unto God: many shall see it, and fear, and shall trust in the Lord.” Psalm 40:1-3

I was even more amazed when the final episode of the documentary detailed the story of how God had given them the “Canaan Hymns“. There was indeed no western influence, yet their sound was unmistakably hymn-like! Rather than gathering together to be pumped up with an emotional high, their singing was more like a bubbling spring of pure water that overflowed from their dynamic and continuing relationship with their Redeemer.

Once in the documentary there was a short clip of a (more modern-looking) worship service where the people were singing with music that accented the off-beat. I also noticed that the singing in a village that did not experience persecution had less fervency and more of an entertainment atmosphere. This is a sign of vulnerability. I offer an urgent warning to my brothers and sisters in China: you will face an attack from Satan to infect and corrupt your music with “new techniques”. It always starts very slight, and will be hard to reject, but it never stays still. It always gets more and more augmented and overt. Remember, there is no relationship between entertainment and praise to God, and when God’s people fail to strive for holiness “in all manner of conversation” (1 Peter 1:15-16), the first thing to go will be the music.

In the early 1970s two sisters brought the new Christian music, which was the “in thing” in America, to Kalimantan in Karat, Indonesia where their parents were missionaries. One evening an older, converted national who had left the heathen practices of calling on evil spirits, heard the “Christian music” they were listening to. He came to the door and immediately asked, “Why are you playing the witch doctors’ music and calling on Satan?” So even though the rhythms of rebellion (“rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft” – 1 Sam. 15:23) had moved from demon worship in Africa to the jazz and blues of New Orleans to rock ‘n’ roll and on to “Christian rock” – they were still easily identified by the tribal people of Indonesia. So the evil one gives his sounds to his people in unrelated cultures around the world and they are independently alike. And the Holy Spirit gives His sounds to His people in unrelated cultures around the world, and they are independently alike. So why would we want to be “mingled among the heathen and learn their works”? Psalm 106:35-37

So let us be zealous for the holiness of God’s house (John 2:13-17 andNeh. 13). Let us walk in the Spirit. Let us abide in Christ so that the music that flows from our lips is beautiful in His sight: “See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, redeeming the time, because the days are evil. Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is. And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual [vs. carnal] songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord” Eph. 5:15-19

Let us sing forth the honor of His name and make His praise glorious!“But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should show forth the praises [or, "virtues" - get that!] of Him Who hath called you out of darkness into His marvelous light” 1 Peter 2:9. Hallelujah! Let us sing unto the Lord a new song, and His praise in the congregation of saints. Let Israel rejoice in Him that made him: let the children of Zion be joyful in their King. For the Lord taketh pleasure in His people: He will beautify the meek with salvation. …Let the high praises of God be in our mouth, and a two-edged sword in our hand; to execute vengeance… (Psalm 149) “Ye that love the Lord, hate evil… rejoice in the Lord, ye righteous; and give thanks at the remembrance of Hisholiness.” (Ps. 97:10-12) Not only in song “on Sunday” but in all of our lives, with music or without, let us praise the Lord with our “whole heart” (Ps. 9:1-2 and 111:1) “from the rising of the sun unto the going down of the same” (Ps. 113:3)! “Sing aloud unto God our strength: make a joyful noise [burst out, shout] unto the God of Jacob. Take a psalm, and bring hither the timbrel, the pleasant harp withe the psaltery.” (Ps. 81:1-2) “It is a good thing to give thanks unto the Lord, and to sing praises unto Thy name, O most High: to show forth thy lovingkindness in the morning and thy faithfulness every night, upon an instrument of ten strings, and upon the psaltery; upon the harp with a solemn sound. For Thou, Lord, hast made me glad through Thy work: I will triumph in the works of Thy hands.” (Ps. 92:1-4) While we live, let us praise the Lord (Ps. 146:2). Let us sing forth the honor of His name and make His praise glorious! (Ps. 66:2)

05-29-09_5657For those who love music, let us make it our priority to cater to the Spirit rather than the flesh, encouraging propriety of conduct as God has directed, for “we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.” 2 Corinthians 5:10

If you are looking for music, here is some that immediately stands out in my mind as being true to a high standard:

Recordings by Billy Ray Hearn and Tom FettkeLinda McKechnie,Tracy Ann CollinsMelinda K. Wickam, and Rudy Atwood

On the radio you might be able to find In Balance Music.

…And the best music you could have is what you sing yourself, all day long. Get to know the melodies and get a good hymnal to learn the words. Or memorize and sing or quote the Psalms! Don’t worry about how you sound to people; after all, everyone is instructed to praise our God (Ps. 148:11-12 and 150:6) and out of the mouth of babes and sucklings God has perfected praise! – Mat. 21:16

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Luther and Bar Tunes

'Just found this and thought it might be helpful to some.

Were hymn tunes borrowed from the world?

Is there such a thing as sacred music?

It is often said today that as far as worship is concerned, music is neutral.  But music can never be neutral.  It is bound to exhibit an influence on the emotions, and must therefore match and support the words of a hymn.  It should never be too powerful in melodic or rhythmic appeal, or in musical sophistication, because then it will divert the soul away from a sincere appreciation of the words.

Greek philosophy taught long ago that music had a deep effect upon the soul.  It was said to build character (with which we cannot agree), but it certainly has the power to eclipse genuine worship, and also (if it is ‘worldly’ music) to undermine a believer’s abhorrence of things ‘in the world’.

Augustine was anxious about the possibility of music being used in a way which would interfere with worship.  Wycliffe also is on record as being deeply concerned.  The Morning Star of the Reformation believed in singing, but he said that if he liked the tune more than the words, then he liked not the tune.  Calvin, certainly, was cautious about the misuse of music.

Music is not neutral in another sense.  It is bound to have associations.  If it is closely identified with the music of a sinful age, then the principles of biblical separation will be broken.  (Sometimes today’s so-called Christian music deliberately imitates disco music, because this seems to be what some Christians really want.)  There is a vast difference between ‘sacred’ and secular music.

It is fashionable nowadays to claim that all hymn music was once worldly music.  Many believers accept this claim.  But where does it come from?  Is it true:

The reality is that it is a groundless claim.  Those who repeat it have given too much respect to the source from which they heard it.  (And that source has mistakenly trusted his source, and so on.)  We would like to trace this ‘politically correct’ idea to its origin, but it seems impossible.  What matters is that it is totally incorrect.  It is a much retailed myth which has no foundation in history.

Luther and tavern songs

The jibe is heard that Luther, for example, used tavern songs and dance tunes for his hymns.  Church music, it is said, has always been influenced by the entertainment of the secular world, and what is happening today in new-style worship is no different.

If this jibe is true, then the separation texts of the Bible are undermined.  Those passages which say that we must have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness are all overthrown.  How can we have nothing to do with worldly music in worship if our ‘sacred’ music tradition depends on it?

Did Luther, as it is claimed, borrow from the secular world around him?  The charge is not true.  It is baseless.  Throughout church history great care has been taken with the use of music.

Luther loved music and wanted the people to sing.  He re-introduced congregational hymn singing in his day.  He wanted hymns to have fine tunes.  Before the Reformation, the Church of Rome had no congregational singing at all.  The people just listened.  They listened, for example, to such things as Gregorian chants, along with other items performed by those who carried out the components of the liturgy.

Luther was a great composer himself, and also an adapter of other works.  We read in Robert Harrell’s work, Martin Luther: His Music, His Message that Luther wrote thirty-seven chorales, fifteen of which he composed himself.  Thirteen were derived from Latin hymns or church music.  Four were taken from German religious folk songs.  Only one out of the thirty-seven came from a secular folk song.

This hardly justifies the idea that Luther helped himself wholesale to secular sources.  And in the case of the one drawn from a secular folk song, it is probable that the world had stolen that melody from the church, and Luther merely reclaimed it (totally adopting and sanitising it).

When Luther said, ‘Why should the devil have all the good tunes?’ he spoke in the context of Catholic chanting.  He was not interested in stealing from the world around him, but providing singable melodies so that congregations could begin to sing.  If a secular melody was used, it was very greatly changed.  And what else would we expect from the Reformer who wrote these words:

Luther’s rejection of non-sacred

‘Take special care to shun perverted minds who prostitute this lovely gift of nature and of art with their erotic rantings.  And be quite assured that none but the devil goads them on to defy their very nature … They purloin the gift of God and use it to worship the foe of God.’

Luther clearly believed that music was to be identified with its source and users.  It was the world of those days that stole freely from the church to obtain a melody for a bawdy bar song.

This writer remembers (and so will many readers) the time when pre-teens in both state and private schools had an obligatory weekly session called ‘folk singing’.  All the songs dated back to past centuries, and they were all sufficiently innocent to be sung by children.  They were easily recognisable as comprising a genre of their own.  It would clearly not be so objectionable to borrow an air from these.  But hymn tunes have never (before now) been drawn from, or fashioned by, the musical idiom promoting and characterising a godless society.

Luther boldly asserted that he had never used a bar song or a dance tune.  People charge him with a ‘crime’ of which he would have been appalled.  We repeat, it is a charge not substantiated by history.

A distinct style

In the course of the Reformation we gained the Genevan Psalter.  We still use many of its tunes today.  For several centuries now there has been in the churches of Jesus Christ a distinctly Christian idiom for music, easily distinguishable from secular music.  New-style worship is now sweeping this away.

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This is a good article.  What hymnes would be an example of this, Mrs. Corbett?

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Hi Jan!  Thank you for taking the time to read the article.  As there were several types of songs mentioned in the article, I am not sure which type you are looking for an example of.

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Hi Jan!  Thank you for taking the time to read the article.  As there were several types of songs mentioned in the article, I am not sure which type you are looking for an example of.

 Hey there Mrs. Corbett,

      I guess hymn music that others would consider to take after worldly music?  I know that he is saying that is not the case....that the claim is unfounded.....I personally love hymn is my favorite thing to listen too.  Are there examples of hymn music that is not Glorifying to the Lord?

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Hi Jan!  There are different types of "Christian" songs.  I am not aware of any hymns that have music that would not glorify God.  There are probably some that are more glorifying than others.  Some are just better written.   There are some hymns that show different theologies in their words.  Sometimes a Baptist hymnal will change a few words in hymns written from the holiness persuasion, and vice versa.  In the last few years people have taken hymns and added back beats, etc. that compromise the hymn.  These I would rather not have to listen to nor participate in singing.  Not everything in a hymnal is a hymn.  There are gospel songs, spirituals, southern gospel songs, contemporary Christian music, etc. Even without the back beat the contemporary Christian songs tend to be syncopated as a stylistic element of the song and you could literally get up and dance to them.  I hope this helps.

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Wow....I didn't know that.  I thought everything in the hymn book was considered a hymn.  Neat information, thank you for answering my question so throughly! Love you!

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Thank you! It was a good article.  How neat that it had a part concerning marriage! ; )

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The agony born in His body that day

Was the weight of iniquities taken away.

And taken away were transgressions of mine;

There He made me pure by God's perfect design.

God's Son without spot, without sin, without blame

On Golgotha's hill He bore the curse and the shame.

There He Who was righteous in my place was slain

To freely give righteousness I could not gain.

In paintings no cleansing for sin can I find;

No rest for my spirit, nor peace for my mind,

But there on the canvas of Scripture I see

My Savior, my Ransom, who died to save me.


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"An intensive series of studies carried out by Dorothy Retallack of Denver, Colorado, demonstrated the effects of different kinds of music on a variety of household plants. The experiments were controlled under strict scientific conditions, and the plants were kept within large closed cabinets on wheels in which light, temperature and air were automatically regulated. Three hours a day of acid rock, played through a loudspeaker at the side of the cabinet, was found to stunt and damage squash plants, philodendrons and corn in under four weeks. Mrs Retallack played the music of the two different Denver radio stations to two groups of petunias. The radio stations were KIMN (a rock station) and KLIR (a semiclassical station). The Denver Post reported:

`The petunias listening to KIMN refused to bloom. Those on KLIR developed six beautiful blooms. By the end of the second week, the KIMN petunias were LEANING AWAYfrom the radio and showing very erratic growth. The petunia blooms hearing KLIR were all leaning TOWARD THE SOUND. Within a month all plants exposed to rock music DIED.

In another experiment, conducted over three weeks, Dorothy Retallack played the music of Led Zeppelin and Vanilla Fudge to one group of beans, squash (marrow), corn, morning glory and coleus; she also played contemporary avant-garde atonal music to a second group; and, as a control, played nothing to a third group. Within ten days, the plants exposed to Led Zeppelin and Vanilla Fudge were all LEANING AWAY FROM THE SPEAKER. After three weeks they were stunted and DYING. The beans exposed to the 'new music' leaned 15 degrees from the speaker and were found to have middle-sized roots. The plants left in silence had the longest roots and grew the highest. Further, it was discovered that plants to which placid, devotional music was played not only grew two inches taller than plants left in silence, but also leaned TOWARDS THE SPEAKER. (Tame, David The Secret Power of Music, p. 142 - 144)

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"The unsuspecting "guinea- pigs" were a teenage boy and girl. They had never met previously and were completely unaware of any strange happenings. Unfortunately for them, as they sat getting acquainted in a cozy "private" room with soft music playing in the background, their reactions were being observed and recorded. When classical music and soft ballads were piped into the room they talked and were friendly, but somewhat aloof. When pop music and jazz were played they quickly developed a much "friendlier" attitude and began to hold hands and put their arms around each other. When the music changed back to classical and ballads they would again become more formal and reserved. If the music would swing back to the jazz and pop music "their formality would give way to familiarity."(Hart, Lowell Satan' s Music Exposed, p.63)

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Lanza also states, "Some background music has been known to induce musicogenic epilepsy, triggering a chemical brain reaction that elicits thoughts of suicide or murder. . .doctors had documented seventy-six similar cases." (Lanza, Joseph Elevator Music, p.194)

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In 1978, a California music therapist, investigating the effects of rock music on teenagers, administered to 240 school children aged 10-18 an emotional stability test during which rock . was being played. The results were then examined by a psychologist who was unaware of the experiment. He concluded that the test had been given in a mental institution.(Hart, Lowell Satan's Music Exposed, p.101)

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1 Samuel 16:  14 But the spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.
15 And Saul's servants said unto him, Behold now, an evil spirit from God troubleth thee.
16 Let our lord now command thy servants, which are before thee, to seek out a man, who is a cunning player on an harp: and it shall come to pass, when the evil spirit from God is upon thee, that he shall play with his hand, and thou shalt be well.
17 And Saul said unto his servants, Provide me now a man that can play well, and bring him to me.
18 Then answered one of the servants, and said, Behold, I have seen a son of Jesse the Bethlehemite, that is cunning in playing, and a mighty valiant man, and a man of war, and prudent in matters, and a comely person, and the LORD is with him.. . .
23 And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him.

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Dr. Schoen, writes in The Psychology of Music:

"Music is the most powerful stimulus known among the perceptive senses. The medical, psychiatric and other evidence for the non-neutrality of music is so overwhelming that it frankly amazes me that anyone should seriously say otherwise."

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"It is almost impossible to overstate the absurdity of the claim that music is neutral, amoral, or void of communication by itself. . . Those who have looked beyond the current music publications know that no one has ever taken the position that music is neutral except for Christians in the last twenty-five years who are trying to justify bringing rock into the church."(Fisher, Tim The Battle for Christian Music, pp.52...56)

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"Some would have us believe that all music is a-moral and that it is only the words that make it Christian or not. I beg to differ with this philosophy! . . . music in itself is a language which can capture and control the very thoughts and actions of an individual, a crowd, or a nation. It is the fountainhead for good or for evil! As one must be discerning in the device of their friends and their food for a happy and healthy life ... so we must be careful and prayerful in the music we chose to listen to or sing." --Dr. Alfred B. Smith  (Hart, Lowell Satan's Music Exposed, foreword)

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In his famous work Laws, Plato could have been writing about Christians and their foolish insistence that music is neutral in order to justify their love for wicked rock music.

"Through foolishness they, the people, DECEIVED THEMSELVES into thinking that there was no right or wrong in music that it was to be judged good or bad by the pleasure it gave." (Plato, Laws as quoted by Tame, David The Secret Power of Music, p. 189)
It's important to note, that musicologist, David Tame, who shows no sign of being a Christian, makes these alarming statements:
"More than any other form of the misuse of sound, it is rock with which we must deal today. ... It is a global phenomenon; a pounding, pounding destructive beat which is heard from America and Western Europe to Africa and Asia. Its effect upon the soul is to make nigh-impossible the true inner silence and peace necessary for the contemplation of eternal verities. ... How necessary is it in this age for some to have the courage to be the ones who are `different', and TO SEPARATE themselves out from the pack who long ago sold their lives and personalities to this sound. . . I adamantly believe that rock in all its forms is a critical problem which our civilization must get to grips. . . if it wishes long to survive" (Tame, David The Secret Power of Music, 1984 p. 204).

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"Some would have us believe that all music is a-moral and that it is only the words that make it Christian or not. I beg to differ with this philosophy! . . . music in itself is a language which can capture and control the very thoughts and actions of an individual, a crowd, or a nation. It is the fountainhead for good or for evil! As one must be discerning in the device of their friends and their food for a happy and healthy life ... so we must be careful and prayerful in the music we chose to listen to or sing." --Dr. Alfred B. Smith  (Hart, Lowell Satan's Music Exposed, foreword)

I love this quote!!!! I don't understand this! This very true.  I am not sure if it is because the listener is looking for something similar to a Worldly version or if they really believe this.  When the background music is off I don't care what the words say, it is so grevious to my spirit that how can you even focus on what it is saying.

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Some things in this forum have caught my eye. I didn't have time to read all of it, and just have a second to reply, but I want to encourage each of you to re-think your attitude toward music.  I, just like the rest of you, find rock music very repulsive. But, can you REALLY say it's wrong? The devil's music?  REALLY??? The Bible teaches that every man should be fully persuaded in his own mind.  If someone is worshiping God with "Christian" rock I believe God can be pleased with it, though it doesn't seem like he could. Who are we to say that our music is right and someone else' is wrong? Not trying to pick a fight. Just think about it.  Kind of like the Pharisees washing the outside of the cup....we think we're okay cause we listen to "good" music. How do we look on the inside?  And, what about the folks playing rock? How do they look on the inside? Maybe they are closer to God than we are. I've learned a lot about this in the past couple years....after coming out of a typical "Independent Baptist Church".

A friend sent us this link to a sermon by Paul Washer, preached to REFORMED RAPPERS! And no, that doesn't mean they reformed in their music, but in their theology and doctrine.  -

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Dear Deborah I will answer this because I love you and you have made your opinions public on this column, which of course, you are welcome to do.  I left "Christian rock" and dabbling in some secular rock music because of several things.

First was the effect it had on me--my testimony.  I truly wanted to do what was right.  I danced to God while singing and listening to my music.  I loved God.  God saw my heart.  I was saved.  While loving God, and listening to my music, I was making some terrible compromises in my personal life.  I didn't want to.  I desperately wanted not to.  I prayed not to.  Yet, repeatedly I fell.  You may not see the link, but the music I was listening to was majoring on emotion.  We are all emotional beings and I do not pretend to shut down emotions created by God.  I admitted to myself that if God gave me a name it would probably be Passion. I was emotional and passionate about everything I did.  When in church I wanted desperately to praise God in an unrestrained fashion and was forever disturbed by the fact that the services were not as emotional about praising God as I thought they should be.  I loved to shout in church.  A good church service was one where everyone was shouting and standing and waving their arms and had no desire for the service to end because they'd just like to stay there and praise God forever.   In my 48 years I have learned that if you allow emotion to go unchecked in an area of your life, it takes over in all areas.  When God told the women to be silent in the churches I'm sure He had His reasons.  Things I've noticed:  women shouted much more than men, women were more likely to shout at certain times of the month.  I found that as I allowed my emotions free reign in my music, they also claimed free reign in my personal life.  I was no longer in control. They took over. I needed my adrenalin rushes from the music or the shouting or the wrong decisions in my personal life.  I was addicted to emotion.  Music moves me.  I have found that certain beats cause certain movements.  They go together.  Put a group of people together who are moved by music and watch them.  We have often worked among the black population.  Do a VBS with black children, turn on the music of your choice and watch them.  They move, and they move in response to the music they are listening to.  Some movement or dance is beautiful, fun, happy.  Some movement is seductive, drawing attention to private body parts, etc.  Some music causes people to let down their proper reserve with each other and they find themselves doing things they never thought they would do.  Music is a powerful tool.  I used to listen to some people I knew who sang regularly in quartets.  They would plan when the people would shout and get emotional by when they would raise the key, sing louder, add the back-beat, and use repetition.  Everyone was happy.  The Quartet got the response they wanted, the people got their rush.  Some people use music to move to people to an altar or to make a profession of faith.  Some men use music to get a girl to lower her standards.  Hitler used music to get Germany to do his evil.  Music is definitely a powerful tool.  When David played music for Saul, the evil spirit left him.  I have thought, experimented, studied for years.  My beliefs in this area are not random or fly by night whims.  Although the Bible does not say, do not use cocaine, I can study the effects of cocaine and realize that recreational use of it has an evil effect on people.  Therefore, I will teach people to be wary of it and keep themselves from it.  Music that causes people to do poorly on test scores or to lower proper God ordained inhibitions also should be avoided.  While you find rock music to be repulsive, I like it.  Yet, I avoid it because it has an evil effect on people.  It is very subtle at first as it draws you in.  After you have made the mistakes it brings along, you either flee or stay and defend it to the death.  :)

I know I left the topic of this column by giving my testimony and leaving the "strictly facts" proposed by the title.  I hope I will be forgiven.  With love to all of you, as I know that we all want to know the truth.  Lisa

Quote · 812 days ago · 3 people like this ·

Just browsing through the discussion and I have to say I'm very impressed with your amount of knowledge on the topic Mrs. Corbett I would hate to be on the wrong side of a discussion or debate with you ;) I don't know if you already went over this since that was alot to read but how music can invite the presents of God into your home or if you're not listening to the right type can invite evil which I think alot of younger Christians don't realize in today.

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Hey, Mrs. Corbett! I think what you have written is very true.  Music does move people.  All my life I've believed there was "good music" and "bad music".  I still believe that to a degree, but just because I don't like someone's music doesn't mean their music is bad.  I think God is glorified by music that I don't like, and I think a lot of the way I used to feel about music was just pride. - "My music is better!"  I see godly people dressing in ways I wouldn't dress, listening to music I wouldn't listen to, and doing other things I wouldn't do, but their relationship with God is beautiful!  It is easy to see that they Love the Lord, and they are probably a lot "better" than I am on the inside.  Listening to rock music or CCM does not make a person wicked. I think you agree with me. :)  I just see so many Independent Baptists having a judgmental attitude toward the music and dress of other Christians, and I think that's really sad. We Independent Baptists could probably learn a whole lot from those people we are judging....  It's what's on the inside that matters!!!   Don't worry about the outward!  If a man's heart is right with God then God will surely lead him to change whatever needs to be changed on the outside.  A few years ago I would have fiercely argued that music I didn't like was bad, wicked and evil. Now I'm trying to look at the heart.   Just because I don't like it, the drums are annoying, or whatever doesn't mean it's wrong...just not my style! :)  For anyone who is interested, Tom Clay has some really good thoughts about music on his blog from time to time - (And no, I don't even like the music from their church, but I can't say it's wrong!)

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Yes, Darla, you are right.  Sometimes when my spirit isn't right, Rachel will offer to put some music on that might be helpful.  :)  At first my spirit resents her observation, but soon the music has it's effect and I can pray and get my attitude in order.  :)  Praise God for a perceptive daughter.  :)

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If I understand you correctly, Deborah, your main issue here is judgmental attitudes.  My recent blog on What The Bible Says About Music is an example of my agreement with you.  One thing we must be careful of though is judging people who have standards and assuming that they are judging people whose beliefs are not like theirs.  :)  The devil is there to try to trip us up at every turn.  :)

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If I understand you correctly, Deborah, your main issue here is judgmental attitudes.  My recent blog on What The Bible Says About Music is an example of my agreement with you.  One thing we must be careful of though is judging people who have standards and assuming that they are judging people whose beliefs are not like theirs.  :)  The devil is there to try to trip us up at every turn.  :)

Yes! You are right. It's a "we're better because our music/dress/etc. is better" attitude that really makes me sad. (And I see it in Independent Baptists more than anyone else, which is why I'm harping on it here on this forum where most of us are probably I.B.)  I didn't really feel like I had this attitude, but a Christian friend shared with me awhile back that when she was around us she felt like we were looking down on her.  She told me she had felt like that around us for years, but then we had changed so much in the past few years and she wanted to know what was different.  She said she feels more comfortable around us now, and I really looked into "why", because we didn't realize we had changed so much. :)  The Bible teaches that we are supposed to "judge" and NOT supposed to "judge"...obviously 2 different greek words.  We're not supposed to condemn, but we ARE supposed to be fruit inspectors.

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Well said, Deborah.  Condemning others can be a snare to anyone whose beliefs, and consequently standards, differ from another.

Quote · 805 days ago · 1 people like this ·

Great way to differentiate, Deborah...well put.


I know this is sorta contributing to the hijacking, but it's really great to see some discussion here!  :)


The Bible teaches that we are supposed to "judge" and NOT supposed to "judge"...obviously 2 different greek words.  We're not supposed to condemn, but we ARE supposed to be fruit inspectors.


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